hello, everyone. yp andrea tantaros along with bob beckel, eric bolling, dana perino, and brian kilmeade. it's 5:00 in new york city, and this is "the five." does the commander in chief care more about entitlements than our military? the pentagon announced yesterday it wants to shrink our army down to its smallest size since world war ii as part of an effort to cut costs. the decision did not go over very well with former vp dick cheney. >> obviously, i have been a strong supporter of barack obama, but this really is over the top. there's enormous long term damage to the military. he would much rather spend money

on food tamps than a strong military or support for the troops. >> dana, it does appear that president obama is getting what we talked about yesterday, a long term goal was to shrink down our defense and expand the welfare state. here's my question. what do you think the american people care about most? the military or the welfare state? >> i think there's competing priorities, and that american people elect leaders to represent them and this isn't necessarily what america would want. of course, it's not easy to make cuts in any regard, and in fact, they did some military cuts to pension growth in the future, just in december, two months later, the congress restored the cuts. it's very difficult to do any sort of cutting. i do think that jay of national review wrote a great piece today about president obama's goal to shrink the military overall. and that he wanted a republican secretary of defense to oversee that draw down as cover for his

upcoming budget, which does definitely expand not just the welfare state, but spending on lots of different things, domestic programs. the priority, i'm always for more defense. i understand there could be cuts here and there, waste fraud, and some of the programs needed to be pulled back and some of the equipment, but i'm for a stronger defense. i think america constantly has to relearn the lesson and i don't want to do it again in the future. >> very good point. eric, general odierno, the army's chief of staff came out and said this soldier level would be absolutely way too small. he also said that we would be at high risk to meet one major war. isn't the best way to prevent war to keep the strongest military? >> i do, and this may surprise a lot of people, but i'm okay with this. i'm okay with a troop drawdown. i don't like the fact we're not becoming -- draw them down. we don't want to be boots in the ground in other countries anymore. we want to defend our soil, american interest abroad and here, but let's do it smarter.

let's do it with drones, with air -- the air force. let's do it with submarines. i think this is actually probably a smart thing to do. my only problem is when you dig farther into what they're proposing, they're saying freeze admiral and generals' pay. slow down housing allowances at all levels of the military. increase contributions for some former, no longer active marines and other military service people. so in other words, it's going to cost you more if you're an ex-service person for health care, but if you're, you know, you're a kid sitting on your parents' couch, we're going to subsidize that. let's make our military smarter, stronger, and we could do it with fewer actual troops. >> so balance the budget on the backs of those who have served and who have suffered. bob, all this together before you explode, and i want uto answer this honestly. the language that the president

used when he explained the cuts and the language that secretary hagel used, he played into a little bit, that war fatigue when he was talking about permanent war. i think he did this because even some libertarians may agree that this is a good idea. so it was interesting the way they phrased it as a lot of people would agree, we don't want a permanent war, all this democracy promotion. is that what they're trying to do here? >> for good reason. we have been at war long enough. we're the policemen of the world. we no longer need a 600-fleet navy. listen, one of the things, we have 1,000 generals and admirals. there ain't no boats for the admirals so they sit there and draw pictures of things. i mean, it's an enormous waste of money over there. they have tanks, the congress forced tanks, they didn't want tanks presumably. the last great tank battle was patton in the second world war. >> they're talking ability cutting salaries and payments.

not equipment. >> they're talking about the f-35 and the new tank they want to force down everybody's throat. >> how about the tanks we gave the muslim brotherhood. that would be a good way to start cutting. >> you keep talking about all the places where there's terrorism. eric's put his finger on it. we can no the policemen of the world. let's protect our interests, but we don't have the circle the globe with united states military presence, and a lot of the budget is double. >> isn't that two different arguments? >> while we're drawing down, our enemies are getting bigger, stronger, and meaner. our allies, sadly, we don't have a say in their budget. they're not building up. so we have to deal with the navy with a set of 52 ships. we have tlur ships. instead of 522,000 guarding 300 million people, we can't afford to keep up. we have to cut down to 450,000 people. we have to cut another $600 billion out of the pentagon budget. this is the third major cut to the only part of the government

that is working efficiently. these guys need to be bolstered. they need to be brought up. the health insurance needs to be re-enforced. these guys and these women deserve it. you want to look at other areas to cut. this is the only area i would not cut. >> brian, what are you talking about? $600 billion cut. >> over ten years. another $600 billion over the next ten years. >> we have the full screen, eric, if you want to walk us through. mandatory entitlements versus military spending. look at the biggest difference. where does all the money go? entitlements. >> the most parbt part of that is continues to increase on the entitlement line, but the defense budget, the number keeps coming down from 2010 to '12 it's down $18 billion. >> why can't you call right now for social security and medicare to be cut. >> a huge drop in defense from $6 sfenlt to $603 billion. here's the point, i would agree with you on we don't need to be

policing all these other areas and we definitely shouldn't be the ones to go in places like venezuela, syria, kiev. ukraine. because it's their battle, their war. but when some of our allies like israel starts to get a little nervous about what's going on in iran, you have to help. but you don't do it -- you can do it smarter with drones, aircraft. >> on syria, actually, our intervention earlier in syria would have helped our ally, israel. it's all interconnected. we don't get to decide who is going to help us in the future. >> i have to play, and you can react. that goes -- that actually goes to dana's point. >> diplomat your ass. >> bob. >> he's a contributor and friend and an amazing mustache. give him that. here's bolton. >> i think the president wants to reduce the size of the military, to reduce our international capabilities. this has nothing to do with budget savings giving the extraordinary increase in budget

expenditures on the domestic side. this is about the president reducing american power, doing it consciously and systematically. >> there's a big difference, though, bob, in sending troops into war and being the world's policemen and maintaining a strong military at home and taking care of those who have served. >> we have plenty of military at home. bolton doesn't know what he's talking about. >> are you for cutting military pay? >> no. >> okay. >> cutting the number of military people. you should take the number of troops down and get rid of admirals and generals. >> listen. >> they don't have a boat for some of the admirals to be on. i'm telling you. >> i'll go back to your point. >> thank you. >> the president of the united states wanted to get a republican secretary of defense. he had no idea how unpopular and unqualified hagel would come off in his hearing said. he tried to do it gates and gates said essentially in his book, if they tried to do this with me, i would have resigned. he did a pre-emptive cut because he agrees with you.

there's a rot of waste and redundancy. i don't think panetta would even do it. he goes and gets hagel out there to make the most contradictory speech i can remember. we have more threats and we have different threats than ever before, so we'll go to accelerate the drawdown. fantastic. let's make sure we're definitely not ready for the new challenges. >> i'm sorry, you said our enemies, our big enemies are growing and growing. our big enemies are russia and china and north korea. >> iran. >> and iran. combined, they don't add to up to half of what we spend in defense. >> you said what we do now -- >> that's the problem, i don't. >> in the next five years or ten years. setting the table for now using our technological advantage to get the best weapon system out there to keep our people safe for the maximum amount of money. if he can explain how rnd is going to save us boots on the ground, do it. >> bob, haven't you railed against the chinese before, how

they're growing in size and strength. >> absolutely. >> the world is not becoming more safe. it's more dangerous. why would you draw down the military now? >> and a lot is coming from the cyberterrorism world. part of the thing i think is important is recruitment. we need really smart young people, engineers willing to go into the military, and they need to be assured they will be able to get the pay and equipment. this proposal does not tell any young person at m.i.t. they should choose the military as a career, even if they want to, they would probably look at this type of trend in the united states and think that's not where i want to be. but we should want them to be there. >> you're right about that. it should do that and we should take a look at what the future looks like. that means not having people on the ground everywhere. we don't need all these soldiers. >> two different things, bob. i think a lot of us would agree with you on that point, but that's not what we're debating. >> i think you're right, i think dana is right. i think you're kind of saying the same thing, the future battlefield shouldn't be a dirt road in a foreign country. the future battlefield is the

internet. >> not our choice. >> i agree. >> well -- >> what's not our choice? >> it is our choice. we can become, you know, instead of losing ed snowden, make sure we have more ed snowdens that are smarter. >> he's probably the worse example. >> you want to put boots on the ground in ukraine? >> who in the world is suggesting boots on the ground in ukraine? do you want to be respected in the world? they're probably laughing. bob, the enemy you talk about, they're laughing about this. >> the head lines around the world are america's decline. >> they're reloading and planning and seeing us get weak by the minute. >> reloading and aiming at us on american soil. >> they're building intercontinental missiles that can hit our shores, according to israel, in the next 18 months. >> we had the boston marathon. we had a number. >> boots for a military attack -- if you told me, if you

were the secretary of defense and said i'm going to have less troops and more missile defense. i'm going to work on cyberterrorism. >> that's what they're saying. >> all we're hearing is draw down, draw back, cut back, and deal with it, pentagon. that's what hagel announced. >> to obama's credit, he's using drones more aggressively. >> we like it, but we stopped in pakistan. >> stopped in pakistan. >> i love what he did. we have stopped bombing in pakistan. >> i see. >> you can't do -- there aren't enough drones in order to protect us long term. i also think secretary gates said in his hearing before, the last proposal, that those would be catastrophic cuts. sequestration has been something that even the administration said that has caused austerity. but now, the actual cuts come on the backs of the military. now, interestingly, in that chart you showed with the domestic spending intitlements versus the defense spending, the entitlement piece, that can only go up because of the situation in our country, so now, again,

if you ask me about priorities and what do americans want? they should want the administration, the elected leaders, to deal with that problem so we don't have to have this fight about defense. >> we have to move on. but i would -- >> for the people who put together the boards, you didn't put the fact that social security, medicare, medicaid, which is about 90% of the budget. >> those screens are accurate. >> why don't you say what they are? they're not a bunch of hand outs to welfare people. >> even if we gutted the entire military, we would be over a trillion dollars in debt. >> that would be a good start. >> we have to move on. and we'll talk about why, i do believe the president is trying to gut the department of defense, coming up, so he can get something in exchange with republicans, but this in from the department of gibberish. samantha power tweeted this over the weekend. very strange. she tweeted out, daniel pearl's story is a reminder that individual accountability and reconciliation are required to

break cycles of siviolence. she's the u.n. ambassador. dana, what was she trying to say there? >> last night, when i tweeted one of my favorite sayings in pr is if you're explaining, you're losing. what i was talking about is her twitter situation. the daniel pearl story is one of atrocious violence against an innocent person. if you use him and his story in a tweet, you better make sure you know what you're talking about. this goes to my neary i don't believe anyone in a mgz of power and influence should do their own twitter accounts. you twitter to monitor the news, but if you don't know how to use 140 characters appropriately, do everyone a favor and stay off it. >> eric, she tries to amend the tweet, but this is a woman who has likened u.s. foreign policy to those of the nazis. she said we need a historical reckoning, which sounds like reconciliation, and instituting a mea culpa doctrine would enhance american credibility. >> what she read was the

correction. the original tweet was daniel pearl, blah blah, which is basically the most insulting thing you can possibly say to, a, the pearl family, b, the wall street journal, c, anyone, journalists and americans. this guy was murdered. this guy was murdered. she's blaming him for the murder? >> a tear nl thing to say, but where did she say about comparing us to nazis? >> she did. i have a list. >> she compared the united states with nazis? >> yes, she did. >> show me that. >> she made anti-israel comments. i have a binder on her. i have binders. >> i am shocked. >> i will say real quick, i read the whole speech. you're right. she pointed out that the foundation does something, not getting revinj, talks about forgiveness and openness. that was the gist of what she was trying to get in 140 characters, to give her the benefit of the doubt. if you watch her, the way she says i love the country, the greatest country on earth, and

kept saying it over and over again to senator marco rubio, who was asking about the inflammatory statements. >> it was the daniel pearl award and they defended her, however, the word reconciliation with her past, strange. before we go, tomorrow night on t"the five," a tv legend is going to join us right here, alex trebek. we'll have plenty of questions for him. it will be a lot of fun. coming up next, the factor's jesse waters hit the beach on president obama's most infamous food stamp recipient. >> a lot of people survive on minimum wage. are you still eating lobster on food stamps? >> if it's on sale. >> more on how surfer dude is faring in america's food stamp system when we return.

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remember the surfer dude dining on lobster and sushi with your money from food stamps? jesse waters caught up with little spicoli. >> some people say, listen, you're a mooch. >> obviously, they don't know me. because anybody who knows me, i'll give you the shirt off my back. >> do you know how much debt america is in right now? >> no. >> $17 trillion. do you think you taking food stamps is contributing to that debt? because it is. >> do i have to apologize for the way the system is set up? i don't feel like i need to apologize for it. it's the way you're wording it kind of seems like i'm getting kind of the ruler on the hand, you know? >> funny thing is he's kind of right. he's playing the system. he's stretching the rules to their limits. but what would you expect with $105 billion program that has almost tripled under obama economics. that's what you expect right there.

take a look at it. but what's next? strip clubs, liquor stores and pot dispensaries? that's already going on. welcome to obama's america. >> god all mighty. did you write that? >> i did. >> you did? welcome to obama's america? >> are you surprised? >> so the last year of the bush presidency, we spent $39 billion on food stamps. >> okay. if i had a camera and money that our executive producer has, i could find you plenty of people, the 98% who use them for food on the table to feed people. >> he uses his ebt card, walked in the supermarket and bought lobster. >> everybody is like that? everybody buys lobster, everybody buys pot? >> let's bring it around. >> there's an example. >> so food stamps are at $17 billion in 2000 and now they're at $79 billion. to put a face behind the numbers, john roberts talked to him two months ago. you would think he got so much

backlash, he would say i'm going to put a shirt on and get a job on, instead, he's not, and he embraces this interview. and he's having all this success without regret. if you could find a way to turn him around, eric, you work with him, and you get him a part-time job where he has to wear a shirt and doesn't smoke cigarettes until 3:00 in the morning. >> can we play the video? >> he's the representative of literally millions of americans. >> oh, come on. i can't believe you would say something like that. >> bob, look. >> so outrageous. john roberts went out and found somebody to use food stamps to feed their kids? >> he found somebody like this. >> have you looked ahead in the packet. >> going and using atms to buy pot. what about people who use food stamps to feed their kids? >> new york and colorado representative at the table. to their credit, by the way, the way it works is the states administer the ebt program, but

it's federally funded. so $105 billion was 2013. but new york says, you know what? no more using your ebt card in strip clubs, liquor stores or anywhere else like this. >> they tried to bring this bill to the floor twice before, but the liberal senate leader, sheldon silver, blocked it. they didn't want aekdability on the program. finally, the republican senators said we have had enough. we're going to lose all the money for the people who do need it. i do disagree with you, brian. the bear may change his fur, but he never changes his mind. you can put him in jesse waters' salmon colored polo, he's still going to be the guy. and it's generous to give the shirt off his back, but i don't think i want it. >> dana, the other part of the story is in colorado, they found last year that a lot of people were using their ebt cards -- >> lots of people. >> to the tune of $2 million. >> it happens all the time in

new york. >> whatever. >> i see it all the time. >> they're using their ebt card, getting cash and buying weed with it. >> even though i'm not necessarily against the legalization of marijuana, i never did pot. i don't understand it. i don't -- i understand medical reasons, all that. i'm uncomfortable with the whole thing. and even yesterday when we were talking about, what were we talking about? >> legalizing -- >> anyway, this whole pot experiment, to me, is just a little bit beyond the pale. the guy here, just because you can take advantage of a system doesn't mean you should. and i wonder where his parents are. >> right. >> i hope they're embarrassed. >> to my good friend, my good liberal friend, the s.n.a.p. program, not called food stamps anymore, s.n.a.p., supplemental nutrition. what about liquor, lap dances, and pot is nutritional? >> all these millions of people who get it, they're all going into pot stores and then they're going gambling, then going out

for lobster. >> not all. >> why don't we have somebody in who -- >> they don't want to put it on. >> in colorado, they had a fox affiliate reporter go out and check the atm cards in the liquor stores. there's over 100 ebt cards in those things. now, they say okay, we're going to regulate it. they go, yeah, but on private atms which are located in most liquor stores and pot dispensaries. >> can i finish my thought? i have been in food emporiums which are nice grocery stores and seen women using ebt cards with a man's picture on it. you can use ebt cards at the organic market in the east village. you can get organic salmon, wild salmon. it's insanity. >> questionable in itself. >> i think there should be a technological fix for this where you can figure out a way to limit what the card can be spent on. also, bob, i understand your anger, but i also don't

understand why liberals aren't more angry at him, because he's the one who is making a bad example for the rest -- >> i am. >> i don't think it's john roberts' fault for finding him. >> i don't blame the guy. >> anyone who buys organic salmon is out of their mind. out of their mind. >> you're right, i wish we would make it clear that the vast majority of people do not take their atm cards and buy -- >> no question about that. no one doubts that. the problem is -- by the way, you want to limit some of it, don't use your ebt card for cash. stop allowing ebt cards for cash. use it for stuff. food. o'reilly has the no-spin zone, but the view might be the full spin zone. joe biden playing the spin doctor. the topic, the huge success that is obamacare.

joe biden made his way back to "the view" today, this time to convince americans to sign up for obamacare before the deadline of march 31st. he didn't want to seem to talk about the cbo report that determined the health care law would cost the equiv lnlt of 2 million jobs. instead, he said this. >> this is about freedom. how many of you are single women with children in a dead end job. you're there because of your health insurance. now, you'd be able to do, make an independent choice. you want to stay in that job even though you can get health insurance absent that job? and it gives women a great deal more freedom.

>> all right, andrea, so i can see good strategy, i think, from a white house standpoint to put joe biden on "the view" but is what they're saying nationally at all in accordeningance with the things people are reading in their own newspapers? >> no, and i think the facts he had to go on the "view" shows they desperately need women to sign up. and the fact he said single women, it was a life of julia all over again. single women become dependent on the government. it's also a bit out of touch because it means single women out there are sitting around worried about birth control and that's the number one issue they're thinking about. i don't believe that to be true. however y was shocked in the last election they came out and voted in droves for president obama when he said that he's willing to subsidize their sex lives. look, i think obamacare is in trouble. it's a nice play. joe biden did follow that up, dana, by saying the vice president doesn't have a lot of power, i thought, what the heck are you doing on "the view" joe?

>> frank underwood might disagree with that. house of cards watchers. brian, today secretary sebelius had a response on cbo. take a look at this. >> 7 million was not the administration. that was a cbo congressional budget office prediction when the bill was first signed. i'm not quite sure where they even got their numbers. >> what does success look like? >> i think success looks like at least 7 million people having signed up by the end of march 2014. >> okay, brian. am i just living on a different planet? i think their explanations are getting more and more inexplicable. >> how could you move the goalpost and how is that permitted by your boss? you said it, 7 million is out there. it's not like the clock that keeps on flowing about two blocks from us, but you have kathleen sebelius say it's not 7 million but we can get close, wait a minute, when we're talking about the cbo and the program that now she feels

strong enough to trumt, let's talk about the 30 million people who are going to be uninsured when it's said and done. the 2 million jobs that are going to be lost because of it, and also talk about what joe biden was talking about, the freedom that people are going to have not to wait tables so they can get health insurance and go and paint or carve. there's money there that has to be but put there so people who choose not to work can go. that is going to have more money in the pot so that sculptor or artist can do what they want to do. >> it's the opposite of freedom. it's saying let us be your sugar daddy. rely on us. >> let's say she can rewrite history. is it possible their math could add up? that this program could be whole? >> no, and the other problem is they're counting enrollees and not paid enrollees. they're talking about anyone who signs up, which we're finding

out, somewhere around 4 out of 5, maybe 3 out of 4 are medicare, medicaid recipients. so they're taking from the system. i find it interesting when they originally scored obamacare and were trying to push it through from bill to law, they said it was revenue neutral and that was a cbo scoring. the left thought it was the smartest thing they heard. they scored it neutral and they made a lot of changes and they don't like the way it's turning out, so the cbo is the most ridiculous group. and joe biden say it's 2 million. his math is really bad. >> bob, democrats on wednesday, tomorrow, are going to start a full-court press to try to do some good pr about obamacare. do you think it will move the needle for them? >> not much, but i will say that if you dropped in from mars and you watched this show so far, this is what obama wants. obamacare, he wants to support women's loose sex lives, he

wants food stamps to be used to smoke dope, buy lobster and an escalade. he wants to apologize to the nazis and destroy the military. >> all those things are true. >> unbelievable. leave here one day and it gets even more outrageous that it normally is. >> what's good, there's no politics for the rest of the show. so got to stick around. still ahead -- >> who is he? >> the one who runs the show, i think. a right winger from oklahoma. >> we are going to go. we're going to talk about cassius clay and will the sport of boxing change forever when he had the match that changed the world.

it was one of the greatest sports moments of the 20th century. february 25th, 1964. a young 22-year-old boxer named cassius clay clocked out sunny liston, supposed to be unbeatable, to win the heavyweight title. he renamed himself muhammad ali the next day. no one could have predicted out the match would end. not even the greatest's own rinkside team. >> hardly anyone gave him a chance against sonny liston, a cold, brutal ex-conwith a devastating left hook. even fergie pacheco was concerned. >> you were really worried liston was going to hurt cassius clay. >> not hurt him, kill him. >> but it didn't turn out that way at all. here's ali after the fight. >> so great, i don't have a mark on my face. and i just turned 22 years old. i must be the greatest. i am the king of the world. >> hold it, hold it. >> i'm a bad man.

i took on the world. i took out the world. >> see, that fight had everything. politics, civil rights, and race all in one. here's the big story. the washington times had a freedom of information request and they got it. the fbi believed that that fight was fixed and they have all different types of characters from the mob world, a big gambler, ash resnic, all involved in this. bob, you're a big boxing guy. you watch that fight, all eight rounds, as upsetting and shocking as it was, was it fixed? >> look, it may have been fixed. but there was no question he was beaten. ali killed the guy. there was no fix in this thing. if anybody had it fixed, they had a pretty bad bet on their hands because ali was right, he didn't have a mark on his face. liston looked uglier than when he went in the ring. ali was the single greatest fighter in the history of the world, and he knocked the hell

out of him. >> you know, he quit on his stool, eric, with a torn shoulder, and x-rays revealed he had a torn muscle. >> anyone who thinks professional boxing isn't fixed or wasn't fixed, maybe not now but then, is foolish. yes, ali was the greatest fightser of his time. then came along mike tyson. clearly, in my opinion, the best fighter to step in a ring. you want to talk about fixes. find tyson losing to leon spings and buster douglass. >> when that happened, i was shocked. >> you were shocked? andrea, do you want to weigh in? >> i remember that day well. it was riveting. >> you were minus 9 at the time. >> more than that. >> amazing if you think about that fight at that time and boxing be the number one sport in the world at that time. you have listen who is unbe unbeatable against ali who comes out and talks like only jack johnson did prior. there's been 60 years since an african-american said i'm the greatest, the best. >> you run around the building

saying that every day. >> i was so into ali, i wanted to change my confirmation name to muhammad. >> how did that go over? >> i compromised with cashs. >> did you realize he could not stay in hotels in miami because they would not allow blacks in. he spoke up about it. >> you're saying, i'm sorry, ali at the top of his game and tyson at the top of their game, you would take ali. >> ali could adjust to different styles. mike tyson had one style, straight ahead. he could never understand somebody with reach. >> i would disagree. i think that would be one of the evenest fights you have seen. no favor to that foyt. >> did you see holyfield fight ali? >> yes, i did. >> did you see buster douglas fight mike tyson? >> yes, i did. >> i don't know what they're talking about. >> during his prime, ali would have knocked out mike tyson. >> all i know, brian, is this.

i don't think anyone is really willing to say that the mob was behind all this unless are you going to start my car after the show? >> you know who the fixer was? don king. there's a thug that should are been in jail. >> that's a nonsecwitter. >> i wanted to get my shot in at the squirrely haired punk. >> oh, my goodness. >> all the fighters ended up broke. >> because he took their money, stole it, and killed people. >> i'm getting yelled at. >> sorry. >> i'll move ahead. 14 minutes before the top of the hour. next, big news in the world of gambling. bob's got it when we return only on "the five."

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gambling history has been made. this morning, the governors of delaware and nevada signed the first interstate gambling framework in the country. under the deal, residents of those states will soon be able to play poker against each other online. it's a move that could potentially bring in millions of new revenue a year for both states. dana, let me start with you. you're not necessarily a big gambling fan. what do you think of the idea? >> the idea, the appeal of this type of gambling, online gambling, i don't understand it,

personally, but i do think it's good that you have two governors facing up to the fact that this is going to be happening anyway, so they might as well cooperate and get the framework of a policy together so they can make sure that they can manage it appropriately, to the extent possible, online gambling, i guess, is the new wild west. >> huge. >> so i think the governors should be commending for working together on it. >> what do you think? i'm not going to tease you. >> two minutes. i think delaware has been flirting with online gambling for a long time, and admittedly, i don't love gambling because i think it's a pretty dangerous addiction that tears up family, but i don't think the government should tell people what to do with their money. if they'regambling, some of the states fear it's failing, and they need to prop up their budgets and their resources and economy by gambling. i think that's a problem. >> that's a very good point. what do you think? >> i worry about it because most people i know can't just gamble just for fun once in a while. now it's going to look to

maximize revenue. i would like to see something more productive. i hate the idea of a lottery. it takes advantage of the people that it's supposed to be helping, bringing more revenue in for more social programs. if they have to talk to each other to maximize the gambling revenue, whatever. >> i'm saving the libertarian. >> this is a good thing. i push back on some of this because like dana, i agree. it's inevitable, but what is going on, people want to gamble and they have to go off shore to do this. that's great. let us handle the gambling, the business of it, the taxation of it, and the process of it rather than these guys are literally making 10 of millions of dollars in bermuda and the bahama countries. and there's no regulation. no way -- these people are stealing our fellow gamblers' money. >> you're right, but the one thing, i'm a big poker player. the one thing that worries me, i'm all for it, but normally in poker if you're a good poker player, you look at the other guy's eyes.

you look at their body movement. you can't do that online. >> the best online poker players are the ones who win the tournaments when they're looking face-to-face. >> exactly wright. that's the one thing. i wouldn't do it if i couldn't see my opponent's face, i wouldn't want to play poker against them. "one more thing" is up next.

it's time now for "one more thing." i will kick it off. so finger gate is no longer an unsolved mystery. remember this infamous picture from the state of the union of joe biden? last night, biden was on seth meyers' premiere of his show, and he asked him what he was pointing at. he said he ran into one senator who he didn't name on the floor who said, hey, here, go to the shot. >> so many finger guns. if there was an nra for finger guns, you would be the president. >> walking over, a senior senator said, look, joe, i know you and barack are friends, but

don't stand up on every damn thing he says. and i said, all right. then i counted. 17 times this particular senator stood up in front of the president. so i went like this. to point to him. talk about a suck up. >> seth meyers said if there's an nra for finger guns, you would be the president. why is he counting how many times the senator is standing up? >> what else are you going to do? >> eric? >> so, the next -- or about to be approved forever stamp, take a look at the stamp. the full screen, there he is, mr. charlton heston who ran the nra and made that one comment when he held up the gun and said, mr. gore, from my cold dead hands. >> last night, very exciting, we have been waiting for this moment. we got to go to dirks bentley's screening of his documentary for his new album out today called riser, and we got a peek at the documentary we can show you here. >> editing it all down from the

story into a book. it has chapters. it really sums up who you are and when you read all the chapters together, ah, man, i know exactly who this guy is. i'm writing it to figure out who i am as well. >> so the documentary is a chance for you to get to know him a little better. you have heard me talk about him, and if you don't like country music, try out this album because i think it's really his best. >> he should hire you. >> he should hire me. >> yes, first i want to say to the person i'm about to speak about his family, it is a tragedy indeed, but a fellow in michigan was showing his girlfriend how safe guns are, handguns. he brought three guns that were unloaded and put them to his head and said, let me show you why these things are so safe. one didn't go off. two didn't go off, the third killed him. i would just say that this is one of the problems with handguns in homes. people die and it's a tragedy. >> all right. >> on a different note, a lot of people say to me, what do we get

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well, hello. i love that. >> you are watching "fox & friends first" on this wednesday morning. i am harris falkner if nor heather childers. >> so glad you are here with us, harris. >> new roenlment number the are in. they fall short of 7 million by the end of march. the white house is doing a little bit of backtracking now. elizabeth prann is live to explain. good morning elizabeth. >> good morning harris and ain'tly. during a push to get as many folks to sign up as possible by the end of march the president is touting 4 million americans signed up for coverage. >> we now have 4 million americans who have signed up for quality private health insurance through the marketplace